laceblade: Toby, Josh, and Donna of The West Wing, talking intensely (WW: 20 Hours in America)
Panel Description: Race and class are two identities that exist in tandem, one never really trumping the other. What are the ways they intersect, diverge, conflict? What happens when our internal race/class state differs from an external race/class assignment—and what factors go into forming internal/external states in the first place? This panel will look at the realities of how we exist within and negotiate race and class without privileging either concept.
Saturday, 2:30-3:45pm
Twitter Hash-Tag: #RaceOnMyClass
Panelists: Saladin Ahmed, Eileen Gunn, Nisi Shawl, Chris Wrdnrd (There was no moderator.)

As always, this is not a verbatim transcript. Things that seem like non-sequitors/etc. are because I couldn't type fast enough. These panelists were great. Corrections appreciated in the comments; I can edit the post whenever I'm able, but will be away from my computer for much of the day.




NS: I helped come up with the panel.

SA: I’m a fantasy writer, my debut novel is Throne of the Crescent Moon. Arabian nights fantasy. Set in land that is like people in the Middle East rather than medieval European fantasy. Protagonists are working people.

EG: Never sure what class I am or my family is. Barbara Jensen has written a fantastic book on class. Did a panel a few years back. If you don’t know what class you are, then probably middle.

CW: Collaborated to be on the panel.

CW: A few years ago, we had a class basics panel. Class and race was shied away from, in part because it’s so large it needs so many panels.

NS: Noticed that it provides a point for conflict because you can be assigned a totally different class from perceptions of outsiders than you experience yourself. That’s an observation of mine, can’t back it up with any personal experience. I think of everyone as my equal. Anybody else have anything to say about the conflict between external assignment and internal state?

EG: I see it in the workplace. Corporations have an internal class system. Managers have upper class in structure of the workplace. How that works in interaction with them. They may not see themselves as middle class. Working class who work themselves up into corporation but see themselves as (?!). Conflict from both sides. Subordinate sees their boss as upper class, but boss sees themselves as working class. I see that a lot, also employee and employee relationship. Class based on status in the corporation.

SA: In my own experience, like race for me, what other people are thinking about me depends on context – how I’m dressed, how my hair is cut, whether I’m with my children or my wife or certain friends and other friends, whether I’m at a poetry reading of MFA students or etc. With loud relatives in a Ponderosa. Not only outsider perceptions, but emphasis in range of class positions - cycle through them a lot.

NS: Is it like code switching?

SA: It is, but it’s almost a conscious act. Been poor my life – I grew up in an immigrant enclave in a factory town, now because I’m in an MFA program in NYC. Different kind of upward mobility. Went to Uni of Michigan. I knew other working class kids, they studied pragmatic things to get out of class position they were in. My parents were artsy. Weren’t working class b/c they were artsy types. Something about it becomes automatic.

CW: One of the things that gets me about assumptions people make – I work a middle class desk job. My boss assumes that I’m as middle class as he is, he assumes that I collude with his humor. He tried to tell me one day that the decline of the English language was due to people living in trailers. It's such an icky feeling when someone assumes I’m going to share their sense of humor.

SA: That’s where race intersects hard. He wouldn’t be defaulting to the dynamic if you were black or if you wore a hijab. He wouldn’t assume you were in that club even if though you might be, if you weren’t the same race.

NS: Story I know from living in Ann Arbor. Black city council man who got stopped for driving while black. He was arrested because he didn’t have his ID on him. He was perceived as being of the underclass, but he was actually a “ruler.” Prime example of someone having a conflict between their experience, what their actual daily life is in terms of class, and what it’s perceived as. Maybe internal experience was different yet again.

AUD: My family’s well-off, I had black boyfriend. Perceptions are so different. My parents were clueless/awful, asking if he knows how to use a microwave, etc.

SA: Always fraught. I try to be a pretty nice and happy person in personal interactions. At the core, I have a dark nihilistic part of me. Thus, often find myself playing devil’s advocate – we can always have happy alliances, different agendas don’t have to be at war – sometimes they are! More recent example – the Skip Gates (Nisi’s story). I grew up in some proximity to African American culture in Detroit. When I say something – of course the cops are fucked up, etc. When I see Skip Gates, he was reacting in almost imperial manner. Part of his reaction was: of course it happened, I’m a black man in America. But he also reacted with a “how dare you” energy. Has its own class energy. “I’m not a common criminal” reaction. I grew up w/ people involved in various criminal enterprises – they’re not shitty people, either. Being mistaken for the underclass – maligning of this thing that you’ve been taken for is a mental trip. Being mistaken for Muslim. Well, that sucks, but you want me to get upset because someone called you this horrible thing? Part of me that ...race and class interact in really uncomfortable ways.

EG: You don’t become a professor at Harvard without a certain level of arrogance. Air of “I’m right/you’re wrong.” Not just classist, but a personal assumption – “I’m right!”

NS: It also can be irritating to be mistaken for the wrong race, as I can attest. Thinking of Chip Delaney. He taught a course at University of Michigan. I didn’t pay any money, just sat in. He came to class one morning furious b/c someone had been hurling racist epithets at him and they were the wrong race. He taught a very interesting class. Other thing I think in terms of race and class intersecting, is race is a much simpler construct than class in my opinion.

EG: It’s an on/off switch to many people, to people who perceive race in that way.

SA: Oh yeah, dominant narrative is that there are four boxes. In the States, we have so little to talk about class. Even now, in talking about “class warfare,” we’re not talking about it in any radical level. We talk uselessly about it a lot more. There's a lot of vocabulary out there even if shit doesn’t change (race).

NS: "MFA poorness" as opposed to "growing up poorness." How many kinds of black are there, and how many kinds of poor are there?

AUD (Mary Kay Kare): Suggestion that race is simpler is very US –centric because talk about race here but we don’t talk about class much. You would find those constructs different in different places.

EG: Didn’t think argument was going that way. Americans brought up to believe they’re in a classless society, even when they know they’re not..

SA: Not thought of as identity categories. We’ve spent 20-30 years as a culture.....people react ass-backwardsly (new favorite word) to feminism/multiculturalism but are engaging.....not happening in the same way as class is.

NS: Maybe it has to do w/many people told they can change classes. Very few people told they can change race.

AUD: Married to English man, talks about race all the time. Accents, speech, etc.

EG: Barbara Jensen’s book. Gave a talk here, talking about all the different classes and how much money your mother/father have. The class marker that's most reliable was where you kept your garbage in the kitchen. In a trash can visible next to wall, or under the sink. If you hide it, you're middle class, if it's out in the open, you're working class.

SA: So...my wife was also working class, is a psychologist now. We kept a trash can under the sink, but we never use it. We keep a loose bag hanging on the outside.

CW: .....What does worm bin indicate?

AUD (Karen Babich): The loose garbage back indicates you're a student!
In America, lazy. Visually, class is hard to pick up especially with onset of cable TV, MTV, and big box clothing stores. Race and gender are things we can assume we look and see know something about.

David Emerson AUD: Barbara Jensen: Class is internal experience. People in the working class in general have a different set of expectations about the world .....(I just stopped recording his comment, sorry lol)

SA: There was that Scalzi post about race/gaming settings and difficulty settings. Class not included, that’s preposterous to me. I can pass on class, but I am still going to be that kid (from immigrant enclave factory town). Doesn’t fluctuate to me. Garcia Marquez book – Love in the Time of Cholera quote: I’m not a rich man, I’m a poor man with money. Well, I’m a poor man with an education.

Genevieve A. Lopez AUD: As far as things like class-passing and race-passing can be very touchy to talk about, but race-passing and class-passing, what have your experiences been regarding that? What are difficulties in untangling when both of those might be happening at once?

NS: I tend to think of myself as everybody’s equal so I really have a hard time...I can see there’s a difference when I tell them I went to a Confirmation class at St. Luke’s Episcopal. Makes me a higher class than going to North Glade elementary – north side of black people. If someone knows your address, they know your class. I wasn’t trying to pass, I had an older friend who went to that church, so she had me go to a confirmation class series. I’d be treated very differently depending on where I told them. Passing unintentionally happens all the time. On a plane, someone asked me where I’m from. I said, Kalamazoo. “Oh, not India?” I had some Indian beads on. IDK.

EG: When I was younger, my partner was a black man. Lived in East Cambridge. Portuguese part of town. Having lunch in a restaurant. He made friends with everyone. He had taught himself to speak a radio announcer sort of accent, removed the accent. He could do 7 different Boston accents, could teach himself many different accents. He didn’t deliberately do anything, disturbed people.

NS: Did they think you were Portugese?

EG: People think I’m Italian. I’m Irish, mostly. Maybe just because I don’t act like an Irish person.

NS: It’s all that wine you drink.

AUD Karen Moore: Moving through class panel last night, someone made a really cogent observation that made me have a light bulb moment. Well, you know I grew up poor and I’ve been very well to do for the last 20 years and I still can’t throw out leftovers and I thought oh God, yes. Then talking about Imposter Syndrome. Even though you’ve moved into a different class, you feel as though you’re not really there. Maybe not the thrust of this panel. Talk about how class becomes internally defined thing and hold on to it no matter what you externally appear to be. Pattern keeps coming back.

EG: IDK about Imposter Syndrome, but interesting she’d think that because she had money she ought to throw out leftovers.

SA: Most cogent for friends of mine – friends with degrees, using French, taste in food has changed, etc.

NS: Grew up well below the poverty level. Money is a class marker but there are other markers, too. Survey in some women’s magazine that purported to answer the question, of what class do I belong to? How many pictures of yourself do you have on your walls? Your ancestors? We keep talking about money but I keep thinking it must be more than that. Because there’s such a thing as poor upper class people, aren’t there?

AUD: I teach high school in Chicago. Students are poor and black. Their race identity is much stronger than any class identity. Haven’t been taught to think of class. They bring in some of the stereotypes/oppressive behavior. One student starts to do well in an English class or etc., and someone says, “Stop talking white.” One thing for some students that helps is science fiction, I wish there was more with black heroes.

AUD LaShawn Wanak: I also grew up in poor black neighborhood in south side of Chicago. Didn’t think of class as growing up, knew I was different than people in my neighborhood. Made contact with old friend. I don’t consider myself rich or to-do or etc., I live on SW side of Madison, mixed neighborhood. Talking with her, I became very aware of class difference between the two of us. Normally wouldn’t have bothered me because we still like the same things. Big house, she lives w/many relatives, hasn’t been to school. Gives me a higher sense of privilege. Discombobulating.

NS: You felt different when younger...class (collision?)?

LaShawn: I liked things different than everyone else.

NS: LaShawn...ou’re a nerd. (laughter)

LaShawn: Very interesting to see how now there’s a divide between my friend and I.

NS: Is science fiction a class? Or is it a race?

SA: It’s an orientation.

AUD: It’s a choice!

AUD Isabel Schecter: What Karen said about leftovers. I have that same experience, for me it’s compounded by race, doubly so because I can pass. Grew up on welfare. I talked white, very clear to everyone in my family that I was going to become white when I grew up. I was going to go to college and marry a white man. I did those two things. Only person in family to go to college, got two degrees. Married a rich white man. If you ask his family, they’ll say he’s middle class. My family says we’re filthy rich. I have all this money, can come to WisCon, eat foofy food. I can’t bring myself to throw out the leftovers. I know I have huge amounts of privilege but I also have these really conflicted issues about race. Growing up, didn’t know poor/nefarious activities, didn’t make distinction between class and race. Assumed we were this way because we were Latino and flawed. Didn’t realize until later it was class, and socioeconomic issues. Now I’m a rich white lady, except that I’m not rich and not white. Terrifying to figure out your identity/what have I become.

AUD: Permeability of class. Permeable across 2-3 generations. I come from an upper class/middle class marriage. I know the difference in visiting my grandparents that they were different classes. In college, I thought I passed, until started seeing markers that were invisible. I knew I had transgressed some marker, still don’t know what that marker was.

SA: We don't have a moderator, so I hope I can steer just a little bit. Focus on questions that are about race and class?

NS: Can add racial overtone to that audience comment. The idea of changing class over generations has a parallel in black community of changing race over a generation. Struck by Isabel – you are going to be white when you grow up.

AUD: (I did not write anything down!)

AUD: Intersection of class and race is complicated issue to deal with. One thing that struck me is how fluid that can be and how people can perceive race and class and see one and not see the other. Grew up in Virginia, old VA city. Two classes of people in general. (I did not write the rest of this comment.)

SA: Meta level on which, when we talk about race, the class positions we’re doing it from. At WisCon: This is a literary convention, we all read. Very basic underpinnings like that. If you read a fair amount, and most people you’re talking to about race read a lot, then you’re getting a disproportionate slice. You’re only talking with some people about some aspects of race. Ways in which it intersects with race not discussed. Comes out most emphatically online. Facebook becoming a little democratized. Way more class-diverse than Twitter. Really intriguing to me. Blow-ups of controversies in [SF/F] genre happen largely online. What I see that’s missing, is people with college jobs who have time to be online a lot during the day. That’s not most people. Doesn’t suggest we go out and recruit everyone, but knowing your privilege/etc. – underpinning to that discourse has to do with access to computers, a certain vocabulary about oppression, etc. Wish we were a little more conscious about that. When someone says “Aaaa-rahb,” it’s context-specific. Knowing how to pronounce "Arab" correctly can be a class marker. The way they talk about women or queer people would not pass in our blogosphere or here. They don’t hate queer people any more than someone who knows the right words. If we’re going to have an open conversation where we’re talking across race lines as well as class lines, [I stopped mid-sentence!]

NS: I like running Internet dramas by my sister, sort of a pulse-check, to see how she reads it.

AUD: Touched on this, but wondered if you could talk about intelligence and how that is perceived across class and race. Know the same degree of privilege I have is not perceived in the same way in other people.

CW: Interesting how articulate you are can erase class lines. I’ve seen how articulate a person is can erase race lines. Black man who's a friend of my husband's got into an argument on World of Warcraft, he was playing with someone on headsets – "you can’t be black, you’re so articulate!" It’s a really big one.

AUD: Seen it do the opposite. Large black man, being articulate gained him hostility.

EG: Different people have different abilities to reposition other people’s opinions of them. Not an intelligence dependent thing, but something black people experience far more than white people. White people assumed – look at your skin/clothing/etc. Don’t have to [I missed the end of this statement!]

SA: See it a lot online. North Carolina [recent passage of amendment banning gay marriage]. So many tweets from upper middle class friends were like, these dumb fucking rednecks. If you can’t respond without “I’m pro-gay rights because I went to college, and these people are all fucking their cousins,” ....you’re perpetuating other stupid shit.

CW: Wanting to ask, when discussions of race and class happen, why does it go to class? What is behind that impulse? "If you just fix the class problems, racism will magically go away."

SA: That is an unfortunate tendency. See – every time someone brings up class in a race discussion, they are always accused of derailing. Sometimes it is, but sometimes it needs to be a part of the conversation. We have to look at each instance and look at what people are doing.

AUD: Reason that class comes up and derails, unconscious derailing – more comfortable with conversation about class than race, which makes us uncomfortable as white people.

(Nisi tried to challenge this audience member's use of the phrase "us," implying "we are all white people," but I think the audience member didn't get it.)

NS: Can’t say anything about that. Almost out of time....Growing up, we had a function called honorary whiteness, also had honorary blackness. Mostly black school. Sanchezes were there. Didn’t know what to do with this non-binary class, decided they were black, because of their class. Same clothes/shoes/neighborhood, assigned them a race based on their class.

AUD Karen Babich: Where are the good conversations happening?

NS: World Fantasy Con 2 years ago. Science fiction conventions.
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P.C. Cast and Kristin Cast are a mother-daughter writing duo from Oklahoma. Their House of Night series is about a girl named Zoey, who is marked by a vampire and must attend vampire finishing school (if not surrounded by adults, fledgling vampires will get sick and die).

The House of Night is a school in which fledglings learn about vampire history, powers, and attributes. They also take sweet classes, like fencing and horseback-riding. It's kind of like Hogwarts, except that these magical teens give each other blow-jobs in the hallways.

I had a strong reaction while reading the first book, but I devoured the second book in hours. It subtly fixed a lot of what bothered me in the first book, was better written, and the plot/characters were loads more interesting.

Here's an example of what I mean. In the first book, Marked, Zoey is talking to her grandmother, who is Cherokee.
"Thank you, Grandma."
"You're welcome, U-we-tsi a-ge-hu-tsa.".
I smiled, loving how the Cherokee word for daughter sounded - so magical and special, like it was a Goddess-given title.
Conversely, a similar scene in the second book, Betrayed:
"Oh, Zoeybird!" She held tight to me. "I have missed you, u-we-tsi a-ge-hutsa."
I smiled through my tears, loving the sound of the familiar Cherokee word for daughter - it meant security and love and unconditional acceptance....

There were a lot of WTF moments like that for me in the first book - Zoey's friend Damien is gay, but at one point the first-person narrative refers to him as the "gay scholar of the group." Her friend Shaunee is black, and gets described as looking like an "African princess" more than once.

At one point, after allowing the first-person narrative to dwell on her Cherokee heritage, Zoey notices that she has left a "trail of blood tears" on the ground. I'm not sure whether this reference is intentional or not, but it definitely made me exclaim, "Are they fucking serious with this shit?"

Thankfully, this stuff all but disappears in Betrayed - maybe they received some complaints from Marked.



I read somewhere on the Internet P.C. Cast's daughter and co-author, Kristin, is responsible for "make sure the teenagers sound like teenagers," and that Zoey is based on Kristin at that age. I'm not sure why Kristin Cast would admit that in public, because in Marked, Zoey Redbird is the most stuck-up snot I have ever encountered in fiction, and she is the fucking protagonist.

Her first-person perspective is also....excruciating, at times.
Feeling like someone had punched me in the gut I realized that this girl - Aphrodite - had been the one I'd just watched with the guy in the hall!
Aphrodite's laugh, followed by her perky, "Of course I'd be happy to show her around! You know I'm always glad to help you, Neferet," was as fake and cold as Pamela Anderson's humongously huge boobs...

Like the disappearance of references to people of color as magical, the teenagers sound more like teenagers in the second book as well.

There are still a few clunkers, though. Quotes from book two:
"Damien sniffed, looking offended and superior and gayer than he usually looked."

Also in Book 2, Zoey reveals that she has a penchant for chivalry, liking a boy who carries books and opens doors for her, stating that "his daddy had raised him right." She also implies that it's okay for Southern people to be homophobic simply because they are from the South and don't know any better.

The Cast duo (or their editor) would also do well to learn how to use a comma, especially when writing dialogue.

There's a few cringe-worthy misuse of words going on, too: "Why don't I introduce you to Shaunee and Erin, who, I'm sure, will collaborate her alibi."

Obviously, there are some huge issues in these novels, and I really don't think I would recommend them.



BUT.

In this version of Vampire!History, movie stars and famous writers are vampires. I'm sorry, I mean vampyres. Vampyre society is matriarchal, and part of the House of Night curriculum teaches fledglings about the mistreatment of women throughout history.

ALSO WIKIPEDIA TELLS ME THAT IN FUTURE BOOKS, ZOEY & CO WILL TEAM UP WITH CATHOLIC NUNS TO KICK SOME ASS, LOL WHAT.

I will continue to read them. They are more readable than Twilight, but like the Twilight saga, there seems to be some kind of teenage vampire dust contained within the pages that compels me to KEEP READING.
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Now that I live in a city with a most excellent used book market (a ton of my manga is purchased at half-price), it's pretty rare that I buy a book brand new the day it comes out. In fact, I think I've only ever done that for Harry Potter.

But when [livejournal.com profile] were_duck e-mailed me to let me know that copies of Catching Fire were in at Room, I bolted there immediately after work to snag my copy and begin reading it while I walked home.

My thoughts are a bit mixed, but overall, it's good, and I like it, and it's just as suspenseful as the first one. If you liked The Hunger Games, then you're probably already freaking out that Catching Fire is out and you need to read it.

That said....spoilers! And for serious, these are books that nobody wants to be spoiled for. Don't do it! Come back and comment later! )

I love reading about Katniss. She is so intelligent, so capable, and so angry - in so many pieces of fiction, the female protagonist is trying to get other people to like her, trying to be nice - but Katniss is a spitfire, will literally rake your face with her nails in anger, and I love her to death.

The setup of the districts being oppressed by the government/rich district also reminds me a lot of Midgar in Final Fantasy VII.

ALSO, I tried looking for fanart at DeviantART, and all I can find are versions in which every character is white. WTF! Katniss is a person of color, right? And Gale? I mean, I'm starting to think that I read these books wrong, but I feel like the books state several times that they both have olive skin, and that Gale's is even darker than Katniss's. It was just.....really weird, and I felt pretty skeeved out.



As for you local people....I think that [livejournal.com profile] _bequerel_ has dibs on borrowing my copy first, but if you all would like to borrow it, please leave a comment, and I'll make a list and do my best to arrange the trading-off of the book.

Do we really have to wait an entire year before Book 3? Ahh! There is so much to say! Read it, Internet, so we can talk about it!
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I'm reading lots of Little House-related books and was about to write a post about Roger Lea MacBride's Rose books. But then I got to writing, and figured I should just make this its own post. Please feel free to openly discuss the topic: I am okay with being called on my shit, analyzing my white privilege, and focusing on the discussion at hand and not my hurt feelings.


I've already written on LiveJournal about Laura Ingalls Wilder's Little House books here and here.
I reread the entire series every year throughout my childhood. I think that I was reading these books in kindergarten. This seems improbable, but I have pretty distinct memories.

There was some discussion last time I posted about the books, with people linking to this website about the books showing the erasure of the American Indians.

I'm still not really sure how I feel about this critique. The book that deals most closely with American Indians is the second one, Little House on the Prairie, when Pa accidentally builds a house right next to hunting path, in the middle of Reservation land. As a child, I remember imprinting on Pa Ingalls disagreeing with their neighbor, Mr. Scott, because Mr. Scott would say, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." 'What a dick!' I thought as a kid. And in the end, the Ingalls move.

Yeah, the Ingalls moved around the Midwest and "settled" land that had already been inhabited by American Indians. It sucks. Even though Pa didn't kill anybody, he still participated in this movement of shunting aside indigenous people in favor of white people.

So did my ancestors, who lived in cities and farmed land that used to belong to different people.

But I guess I'm just curious. What else was Laura supposed to write about, if she's writing her personal history? It's a shitty thing that happened, but I think that not owning up to it, or sanitizing children's literature from it is not going to help matters at all.

She lived in the 19th century, and wrote in the 1930s. She wrote about her life. Is that bad?

I can see why any person would prefer to not read the Little House series and would rather read books about the lives of American Indians instead: books about them, books by them, books that celebrate them. I totally respect people who might decide to do that (not that anybody needs my permission).

But I guess I'm just curious why Laura Ingalls Wilder gets a bad rap when not everyone else does. As [livejournal.com profile] antarcticlust astutely noted in the comments of one of my previous posts on the LH books, "You mean to tell me that a story about upper-class, privileged women living in a society whose wealth is almost entirely based on imperialism is not a narrative of erasure?"


Anyway. This discussion of race will probably be tied in to future posts I made about this universe of Laura Ingalls Wilder books, because I'm devouring them like candy, and I tell you what Internet, there is some heinous shit out there, and I intend to read it so that you don't have to. I wanted this topic to get its own post, so that's that.

Media Stuff

Apr. 5th, 2009 11:04 pm
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Now that Funimation has the subbed version of the anime Romeo x Juliet streaming for free on their website, I might finally finish the damn thing. Today I watched episode 15 and 16. This series started off with a lot of promise, but is just....not holding good on it, for me. I want to see it through to the end to see what happens, but I don't have much hope.

I mean....come on! It's Shakespeare, it's dripping with so much angst that the pages of the play are practically wet with blood. Everyone has emo, there are swords, and the anime version had added bonuses! An inversion of gender roles, giving Juliet an entirely new identity of the Red Whirlwind, a mix-up of the premise, an impoverished city, etc. Even the addition of characters from other plays (Hermione, Regan, etc.) give the writers practically unlimited ranges of angst and characters, but they just use their names and genders, and that's about it. The show devolves into low-budget animation and storylines I don't give a toss about.

This seems to happen in a large number of animes for me, and it's why an interesting premise for a movie/TV show/book/whatever is never enough of a selling point for me. Because no matter how interesting it starts off, it can end in a lackluster way. Scrapped Princess was like that for me. Ditto with Darker Than Black, Witch Hunter Robin, Code Geass, Paranoia Agent.



While it's certainly no Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, here are links to people talking about this week's Dollhouse:
[livejournal.com profile] meganbmoore here and here.
[livejournal.com profile] matt_ruff here.

Then you are one sick BITCH. )



The Asian Women Carnival #1 is up.

[livejournal.com profile] rachelmanija is hosting The Incomprehensible Awards! Continued here.

Funimation is going to be streaming episodes of the new Fullemtal Alchemist just 4 days after it airs in Japan!! For those unfamiliar, this new series will be more heavily based on the manga. [ie, it will be better!] But it starts at the beginning, so you needn't have seen the first series to watch this one.

La!

Mar. 27th, 2009 01:26 pm
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I have updated my 101 Primer since its original posting two months ago. Nothing has been deleted, but more links have been added (mostly to communities), as well as a new section on "Race and Fandom."

The links to RaceFail posts are by no means even remotely exhaustive, but I tried to pick the ones I thought most appropriate for a 101 primer.



I purchased the following today, for $.50 a piece!

A Free Man of Color by Barbara Hambly
Fever Season by Barbara Hambly
A Hunger for Home: Louisa May Alcott's Place in American Culture by Sarah Elbert
Toward a Recognition of Androgyny by Carolyn G. Heilbrun
The Female Man by Joanna Russ
Writing and Sexual Difference edited by Elizabeth Abel
The Wounded Woman by Linda Schierse Leonard
Beyond Anger: On Being a Feminist in the Church by Carolyn Osiek, R.S.C.J.

Doesn't that last one sound amazing?! From the back cover:
What happens to a woman who has a deep faith and ardent commitment to her Church, and yet who because of her honesty and openness to truth becomes more and more convinced of the validity of the feminist critique of insitutional religion?

They must undergo a conversion which will transform them. It consists in embracing the cross, not as passive victims, but as free agents capable of sustaining the liberating and redemptive suffering that is necessary in order that their continuing presence in the Church can effect needed changes according to the pattern of the Gospel.
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[livejournal.com profile] aqeldroma wrote this post about RaceFail 9000 about silence, and choosing to remain neutral in these arguments.


Nobody said it's easy. Nobody said "We will never misinterpret things you say or criticize your word choice." Because we will! We totally will. And it will suck, and you will feel horrible. But then, if you're really listening, you will never make that same mistake again. The post does not allow comments, so I'm bringing it back to my LJ.

For example, a little over 12 hours ago, I got called out for using mysoginistic hate speech WHILE IN THE PROCESS of calling other people out on their thinly-veiled racism. No really, I did. And really, my first reaction was really defensive and all, "She's wrong!" and possibly, "WTF, I should not be one to call other people out on their shit when I myself still fail so hard."

But if everybody thought that, allies would never call people out on their shit. People of color would never feel safe, nor would the uncountable list of other people disadvantaged by privilege.

To you, choosing not to enter the discussion doesn't necessarily mean you don't condone the behavior. To people of color looking around for allies and a safe space, they see nothing but tight-lipped cowards.

It is SO PRIVILEGED to even have the option to not participate in these discussions. If your worst fear is that somebody might misinterpret what you said [which, by the way, can happen in any conversation ever], then you'd best get over it.
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So RL things are making it impossible to formulate a complete and coherent post of my own, but then [livejournal.com profile] oyceter went and was bad-ass and made a lovely thoughtful post which everyone should read.

Why the resounding silence? Editors, authors, fans—all the people who were not talking about RaceFail and what people in their field were doing: where are they?

...

What SF book fandom is telling me—a woman, a person of color, and a long-time fan of SF books and a con-goer—what you are telling me is that you don't care. That these are, in fact, your community norms, that you are all right with people who have more power in your community (by virtue of profession, race, and gender) using that power to harm other, less powerful, members of your community. That you are fine with the erasure of women, of people of color, of those without the same professional privileges you enjoy, and that you are willing to stand by silently and let people be hurt.

...

I want to know if this is the norm for SF fandom. I want to know what SF fandom is doing to welcome oppressed groups—actively welcome, because simply saying "Come in" to someone who has just been assaulted in your house is not the same as showing them the precautions you have taken against further assault. I want to know if I and my allies will be safe.

But mostly, I want to know what you who have been silent are going to do.

I say this because it is all too easy for me to stay on the periphery. So don't tell me. Show me. Not via links or comments, but by making changes—in yourself, in one aspect of your life, online or offline, public or private, large or small. Help us all change.

...

I'd like to spend this week focusing on POC; in particular, I will try to catch up on all my backlog of book write ups by and about POC. I am going to read the 12th POC in SF Carnival. I will continue working on making my blog a safe space for oppressed people and issues of social justice. I will work on my pieces for the Asian Women Blog Carnival and the Remyth Project. I am going to continue to deal with these same issues of safety and trust and social justice offline.
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I have RL stuff to deal with at the moment, so mostly this post is a collection of links I find fascinating. As always, [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong is awesome for finding all of the links! I just find the ones I think are most relevant and put them in an order that is useful to me. Hopefully when I have time in a few days, I can write a post of my own.



WTF IS GOING ON

A timeline in a comment made by [livejournal.com profile] sparkymonster



ROFLcopters
Kathryn Cramer has used a pseudonym on the Internet! LOL!

Despite turning EVERY ARGUMENT EVAR into a discussion about class politics, and how racism doesn't matter as much as classism, AND ESPECIALLY DESPITE learning where various LJers went to college and then somehow using slight of hand to insinuate that their opinions about race and class no longer matter if they come from a background of financial privilege....Lo! Will Shetterly keeps himself poor so that he does not have to pay taxes! LOL!




Why these people fail.

The politics and deconstruction of "outing."
[livejournal.com profile] vito_excalibur: Once More, With Failing

[livejournal.com profile] veejane on how this shitstorm is indicative of the "old guard" of the SF/F fandom handing over the keys with a huge tantrum.

[livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink: kicking some major ass.

[livejournal.com profile] shati on how people's race and backgrounds are playing a role in how people are treated in this, RaceFail 9000.

[livejournal.com profile] yeloson: Engaging in Violence

[livejournal.com profile] maerhys: Beyond Me To We: On Usernames, Legal Names & The Internet

[livejournal.com profile] raanve has an exchange with Kathryn Cramer, in which Cramer acts heinously. Her logic! There is no sense there! As noted by others.



How to Derail the Fight Awesomely

[livejournal.com profile] darkrosetiger is collecting links to fanfiction about characters of color in Stargate: Atlantis over at [livejournal.com profile] deadbrowalking

[livejournal.com profile] tacky_tramp: Turning us to the posts that actually discuss cultural appropriation!

[livejournal.com profile] springfluff is a fandom exchange with no deadlines or administrative pairing-up of people. You just post requests for fanfic, fanart, icons, interpretative dance, whatever. And people can provide for the needs of others at will. A lovely way to destress!

[livejournal.com profile] inaname is now open for submissions.

[livejournal.com profile] nextian: Post what you want from media, and others will tell you where to find it. AMAZING.

[livejournal.com profile] 50books_poc is a great community to add to your friends list! Even if you, like me, are not doing the challenge of reading at least 50 books by people of color in one year, it's a GREAT way to get all sorts of book recommendations!

[livejournal.com profile] sparkymonster with a picspam of hot men of color. And I do mean hot.

So, if nothing else, we know which side of RaceFail 9000 has the most fun.


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And for the record, I do have a social life. Reading LJ posts really doesn't take very much time. I like being informed, and I like deconstructing this stuff in my free time.



Relevant Posts that give a background to the one I'm about to write!
[livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink: RaceFail: Once More, with Misdirection
[livejournal.com profile] vom_marlowe: Fucking Will Shetterly Insults Me and My Family
[livejournal.com profile] deepad: To burn a bridge is sometimes as necessary as to build one
[livejournal.com profile] shewhohashope: Cultural Appropriation and SF/F: Once More, With Apathy
[livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink: Dear People....



I am really confused by posts like Kathryn Cramer's, which cries foul at people who use aliases online.*

I'm sorry, but some people have very good reasons for choosing to be anonymous on the Internet. Not everybody is self-employed, or even employed by leftist, free-thinking people who agree with all of their opinions anyway.

Does nobody remember the PDF files from WhiteHouse.gov that were floating around just about a month ago? To be considered for employment in the Obama Administration, a person had to detail any blog posts or blog comments, or comments of any sort, made online in their entire life.

People who work in the same field as me are actually forbidden by their employers from having blogs at all, because anything - and they do mean anything - can misinterpreted and reflect poorly on their employer. People who have blogs are not hired. So if you choose to have a blog anyway, you'd damned well better use a pseudonym.

People like me are not using aliases to hide behind a made-up name, to never own up to the things we say, to never take responsibility for hurting others, for making a point, for speaking out. In fact, many of us make use of aliases so that we might have a voice at all. I'll own up to things I write online. I'm not going anywhere! I don't start conversations and then run away, taunting with "HAHA BUT YOU DON'T KNOW MY REAL NAME!"

In fact, I think using a pseudonym keeps the conversation focused on what's being said, and not on who people are.

I thought [livejournal.com profile] jonquil solved this shit with her post calling attention to all the bad-ass people who have used pseudonyms like, say, Publius.


[livejournal.com profile] vom_marlowe points out why it's quite dickish to make assumptions about people's class after finding out single bits of information about them. I don't really don't know what Will Shetterly's deal is. Like, you find out one detail about a person, and then you know their entire life story!

Even if he was right....what if people are middle class, or *gasp*, upper class? Does it take away their right to call you a fucker for being a dick on the Internet? No! It does not.

And I'm getting really sick of all of his friend's comments of "OMG, but he really is nice in person! I can't believe he's this mean online."

For the record, dear friends of mine, if any one of you were to start being a total asshole to all of my friends online, but you were still nice to me in person, I would not be friends with you any more! The way you treat other people also reflects on you as a person. The Internet is real. People who type words are not machines or paper dolls; I find it ironic that in this RaceFail 9000, the people using their real names are often the ones who don't seem to understand that. IF YOU ARE A DICK ONLINE, YOU ARE STILL BEING A DICK.

To bring up high school as an example most people understand: even when Abercrombie-wearing "popular" kids were nice to me, if they were mean to me or people they viewed as ugly or fat in my grade, I was not nice to them in return! That shit is mean. Nothing excuses it. I didn't stop thinking that they were assholes when they were nice to me, or when, at that moment, they weren't picking on other kids.


Lastly...can someone tell me who Theresa Neilsen Hayden is? Same with her husband? I'd never heard of these people before RaceFail 9000, and they must be big in fandom or something, but all I know is that they acted with fail.



Upcoming/Uplifting:
-Tonight's [livejournal.com profile] beer_marmalade discussion, at which we discussed topics and thoughts from RaceFail 9000. It was a good conversation! Even with a mostly white crowd! GOOD THINGS CAN COME OUT OF MIRES OF CRAP.





*Link removed because Kathryn Cramer keeps changing the redirection of the URL, sending people to scammer sites that might have malware. Mark a bitch point in her column!
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[livejournal.com profile] wisteria_ with a picspam titled Kara Thrace, in adjectives.

Via [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink, Joss Whedon's original Dollhouse pilot script! I haven't had time to read it yet, but word on the Internet is that it's a lot better (SURPRISE!).

[livejournal.com profile] meganbmoore on Dollhouse, 1.2, and [livejournal.com profile] entil2001 on the same.

[livejournal.com profile] ladyjax "PSA: Images of Blackness".
This is for all my peeps who need a little ammunition when confronted by anyone who thinks that watermelons and Black folks go together like, I don't know - rice and butter or who immediately tries to roll with, "But it was just a joke? Don't you have a sense of humor?"


[livejournal.com profile] smuu on Naoki Urasawa's Pluto and 20th Century Boys. I loved Monster! I'm afraid to start reading this other stuff and having to wait so long between new volumes!

I'm keeping my eye on [livejournal.com profile] reread_no_jutsu because it's been a while since I read what I read of the Naruto manga. [livejournal.com profile] meganbmoore has already voiced most of how I feel about the series in this post, here. IT IS SO GOOD THAT I AM REPOSTING MOST OF IT HERE!
All shounen has some serious problems going on regarding gender. Even Claymore and Fullmetal Alchemist, the two series that seem to have largely ruined me for any shounen that I wasn't already attached to, have problems. But I am, in general, more lenient with shounen than I am shoujo. The target audience for most shounen is 13-15 year old boys. Their main interest in plopping down their allowance every week for Shounen Jump is reading about a couple guys going "And now...I will show you my TRUE power/SECRET move/etc!!" "Writing for the target audience" doesn't absolve a series of any problems it has, but it is an important consideration, and it's why I can get past things that would normally (and sometimes still do) irritate me in Samurai Deeper Kyo, Kekkaishi, Black Cat, Bleach (sometimes) and various other shounen I read/have read but aren't jumping to the front of my head at the moment. And though the line between them can be difficult to see, there is a difference between focusing on your main character and sidelining a character, and when you pick up a shounen action series, you're most likely getting a series where most of the attention will be on variations of certain, primarily male, character sets. It's pretty much an inherent part of the genre, and one that, if it doesn't work for you, largely guarantees that the series will just irritate you.

Naruto, though, always bugged me more than other series when it came to female characters, and I think it's because of this: Is there something in the DNA of every ninja tribe in that world that results EXACTLY one girl for every two boys born every year, stretching back at least 50-60 years? Is there some sort of law in every tribe that says each and every team (though there might have been teams introduced later, or that weren't around long enough for me to remember them that upset the formula) must have exactly 2 boys and 1 girl? Why are there no teams with 2 girls and 1 boy? All boy teams? All girl teams?

In theory, the numbers themselves should put Naruto a step ahead of other shounen simply because having 1/3 of your cast be female in the typical "cast of thousands" makes you female character outnumber those in other series about 5:1, proportionately. And yet, it's so exact, so deliberate, that "one girl for every two boys" can't be anything but a conscious decision. And when it's so conscious, it makes the treatment of gender stand out all the more. And then there's the fact that, in this world, almost every character the same age has near identical levels of training and experience. There's no variety. In personality and individual specialty, yes. But as presented, every character of the same age (with the exception of characters like Sasuke and Gaara) should be on equal footing, with some allowances made for personal strengths and weaknesses. In another shounen, you'll have a character with little or no training or powers, one who is new but who has enormous training, and two who are experienced fighters. That the only girl of the four is the one with no powers or training is a problem, and not one that should be dismissed, but it is a textual reason for the girl to not be in the middle of the fight with that arc Big Boss. With Naruto, however, that isn't there. The girl in question has as much training and experience as the three boys. Yet she's still the one sitting it out or fighting a lesser opponent while the boys are fighting the arc's Big Boss. So while I get grumpy that Yuya/Okuni/Mahiro/Orihime/Tatsuki/Tokine/etc. isn't on a par with the boys in terms of getting to fight and win fights, and can at least follow along with the why of it as presented by the manga. But with Sakura/Hinata/Ino/etc., I'm left with the feeling that Kishimoto is standing there going "look, I gave you exactly one girl for every two boys...do you really expect me to actually give them something to do in addition to existing?" (Plus, other shounen tends to at least let them have goals and motivations and backgrounds and lives separate from the guys, and the only female character I can think of in Naruto that that applies to is Tsunade.)


An example post....Introducing Team 7!
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This quartet seems to have mixed reviews....I remember someone telling me that they were bad, and not as good as the Song of the Lioness Quartet. Yet, [livejournal.com profile] sasha_feather was adamant that these were her favorite ones, being more realistic. Having acquired them for free at Bookmooch.com, I decided to go for it.

I read Song of the Lioness in fragments spread out over a few months, and I'd have to read it again for style, but I think that Protector of the Small was better written. I definitely liked Kel better as a protagonist.

I like how hard Pierce makes Kel work. I feel like I'm there for every blow, every muscle strain, of her training to become a knight. I remember this being true in the Song of the Lioness Quartet, too. I like that Kel had to deal with bullying/hazing. She didn't tattle, but got stronger and made sure it didn't happen to others. I have so much respect for her strength and personal code of honor. I think these will be comfort books for me in the future!

I like how Kel ages throughout the four books, both physically and emotionally. Everyone around her changes, too, even the way characters view each other and the world. Pierce is really good with her viewpoint characters - while some characters appear in many of her books, they are viewed differently by the people telling the story. I like her consistency, and the obvious thought she gives to viewpoint and the backgrounds people are coming from.

I like that it seems Pierce realized how "easy" Alanna had it in Song of the Lioness - and so Kel has no magic. I found this quartet less annoying than SotL. Kel doesn't have magical powers, a magical pendant, a magic Goddess-voiced cat, a magic horse, or whatever else. The Prince of Tortall is not her best friend. I like that Kel has to do without the Gift, that some things don't come naturally to her. As much as Alanna's life sucked sometimes, I feel like Knighthood/etc. came a bit too easily/naturally for the protagonist, like it was ordained. I found it a lot easier to relate to Keladry.

Spoilers! )



So, I say all of these good things with a grain of salt. What makes Kel somewhat special in comparison to her peers is that her father was the Tortallan diplomat to the Yamani Islands for 6 years of her childhood. Thus, Kel is not only adept at interacting with people hailing from the Yamani culture, but is also trained in Yamani fighting styles and weapons. After making it through Tortall's training for knighthood, she uses her weapon of choice: a glaive.

It's extremely clear that the Yamani Islands are meant to be Japan. Women wear kimonos secured by obis. Kel refers to her weapon with the "Yamani" (see: actually Japanese) word naginata. In the text, Yamani people bow by placing their palms flat on their thighs and bending forward. Honor is taken very seriously by warriors, and death is viewed as preferaable to surrender or capture.

But in the first two books especially, Pierce makes a narrative choice that I find pretty weird. Whenever Kel hides her emotions, she is described as acting in a Yamani manner. Not just once, but almost ad nauseum. When she smiles but is actually upset, it is a "Yamani smile." When she struggles to keep her countenance free of emotion, she is keeping it "Yamani-blank." When she defers to cultural manners as a way to interact with others, her face becomes "a Yamani mask of politeness."

It might be true that Japanese culture looks less favorably on a selfish outpouring of emotions than, say, U.S. American culture, but it just smacked of painting too broadly with one brush for my tastes.

Also, some of the names were a little improbable, such as "Chisakami" and "Shinkokami," and sort of sounded like an anime fangirl writing some AU fanfiction, making up names.

Of course, some aspects of it were nicely written, and helped bring the Quartet as a whole into focus.. Women in the Yamani Islands are given much more weapons training than women in Tortall (equivalent of France/England) because men are often away when towns/etc. get attacked by pirates. As a child, Kel is 5 years old and with her mother in a temple when pirates attack. And her mother is bad-ass with a glaive, cutting people down and saving some Yamani relics. Thus, it's fairly natural to both Kel and her family that she would want to train to become a knight.



I really want to read Terrier.....I want to see things from a lower-class character. But I've already got Trickster's Choice checked out, and I own the first two of the Immortals Quartet (yeah, I skipped it and went right for Keladry's quartet instead). I'm thinking that I will love Terrier a lot.

What are Melting Stones and Will of the Empress about?

101 Primer

Jan. 24th, 2009 10:43 am
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This post is for posterity, and forever under construction. It will be linked to from my profile.
At the moment, is race-heavy in linkage because of current Internet discussions, and rather light on feminist ones. This will be rectified in the future, don't worry.

I made the post mostly for myself: as a resource I can turn back to whenever I need to check myself. I encourage others to use it as well.



My journal is operating under the assumption that everyone who comments in it is beyond the 101 level when it comes to differences in gender, race, hetero-normativity, differently abled people, etc. I assume that you understand that some people benefit from privilege due to the way our society is structured.

"But, Mystickeeper!" you say. "I don't believe you!"
"Well, Jimmy," I say. "Sit your ass down, and read these posts. NO REALLY. Read them."



Privilege is Real

White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh
Things You Need to Understand #4
A Primer on Privilege: What it is and what it isn't
"Check My What?" On privilege and what we can do about it
Your Science Fiction Twin
Male Privilege

So you've accepted that privilege is real. Congratulations! Please keep reading.


Applying it to Real Life

Derailing for Dummies
How Not to be Insane When Accused of Racism (A Guide for White People)
Why I Hate White Anti-Racists - Because when a white person is accused of racism, their response might be: "But let me tell you about this one time when people of color were prejudiced towards me! I know what racism is all about!" No. You don't.
How to Suppress Discussions of Racism - a tongue-in-cheek piece, but very well thought-out, and points out the absurdities in the ways in which many conversations develop.
Racism = Power + Privilege
By definition, Blacks and other minorities cannot be racist because they do not have insitutional, systemic power. The term Minority doesn’t even refer to a minority of numbers any more (after all, minorities outnumber whites in many places, now), but instead to a minority of power.
...
Reverse racism does not exist. It just doesn’t.

Sexism = Power + Prejudice
Colour Blindness
(Color)Blindness as a Metaphor to Racism
What Kind of Card is Race?
The Privilege of Politeness
Anti-Racist FAQ
Simplifying the Language of Race: Some Definitions
No More Mr. Nice Guy
Cultural Appropriation 101
Sherman Alexie: How to write the great American Indian novel
How to write about Africa



Race and Fandom

What hurts about race and fandom
You left me outside and now you want in
Do You Even Care About Us?
RaceFail '09: This Hurts Us All
RaceFail, Silence, and Words
On Safe Spaces
The Clue Train

Positive race + fandom
The Remyth Project
[livejournal.com profile] con_or_bust
[livejournal.com profile] fight_derailing
[livejournal.com profile] verb_noire
[livejournal.com profile] iconsofcolor
[livejournal.com profile] ofcolor / People of Color SF Carnivals
Fandom/Kiva OTP!



Bingo Cards

Bingo cards exist because discussions about race and gender and what-have-you happen all the time on the Internet. No really, they do. It might be a huge and epic thing in your journal, but for, say, people of color, these conversations occur with such frequency and predictability, they are able to construct bingo cards of common ways people who benefit from privilege react in conversations that involve their privilege.

The words that fill the bingo cards are statements otherwise known as "made of fail." They take the focus away from the topic at hand (racism in society, appropriation of an oppressed culture by that of a dominant one) and re-shift it to white people and their Great Pain. Do not say these things! Ye will be called out on your shit.

Cultural Appropriation Bingo
White Liberal Bingo
Anti-Feminist Comics Bingo
W*ll Sh*tterly Bingo
Working Class Bingo
No Racism in F/SF Bingo
The 'Feminist' Discussion About Transpeople Bingo
Fat Hate Bingo
Fat Hate Bingo 2
Anti-Feminist Bingo
Cultural Appropriation Bingo

[livejournal.com profile] vito_excalibur shows how a game of Bingo is "played" during the events of RaceFail 9000.


What Now?

There's a whole Internet out there! Start here:
Baby-Stepping Away from Racism: A Guide for White People
FixRacism.com
Becoming Better Allies: Consciousness-Raising for White Fans

[livejournal.com profile] racism_101
[livejournal.com profile] debunkingwhite
[livejournal.com profile] ibarw
[livejournal.com profile] ap_racism
[livejournal.com profile] deadbrowalking [Membership is closed; do watch and listen.]
[livejournal.com profile] 50books_poc
[livejournal.com profile] 12films_poc
[livejournal.com profile] halfamoon
[livejournal.com profile] 14valentines
[livejournal.com profile] lgbtfest
Pro-Character of Color/Anti-Racism Guide - a massive source of LJ resources! Amazing!
LearningDiversity.com: Online Vignette Exercises for Racial Diversity Training
Racialicious: The intersection of race and pop culture



Credit Where Credit is Due

Very rarely do people on the Internet stumble across a great many articles all on their lonesome. I found many of these links by way of [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong, [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink, [livejournal.com profile] shewhohashope, [livejournal.com profile] zvi_likes_tv, and [livejournal.com profile] sparkymonster.

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...Or so it has been dubbed in the comments over at [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink.

I've had a few friends say, "Oh, that.....that thing. There's a lot of posts, and I skimmed a few, and I'm not sure what's going on."

Gentle Readers, you can know what's going on!

[livejournal.com profile] sparkymonster has written a summary here.

Also, a short-but-sweet summary with links here in a comment by [livejournal.com profile] vito_excalibur.

[livejournal.com profile] oyceter at [livejournal.com profile] ibarw saying why International Blog Against Racism Week will not be affiliating with [livejournal.com profile] diversity2009.



Of course, if you are looking to read all of the posts about what's been going on, ever, go to [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong, archivist of RaceFail 9000.

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