WisCon Linkspam

[laceblade]

At this point, I need to do a linkspam because I have 5 browser windows open, and in one of those browser windows, 82 tabs. It's linkspam with minimal commentary because I'm at home dealing with a family death. So if you fail in my comments, I will come for you eventually.

Please read my 101 Primer before commenting; I will know if you didn't.

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There was some fail on a few panels/at the Con in general. As always, read the comments.

shadesong was on the Take Back the SF Panel and posts about what happened here.

asim on the "Take Back the SF Panel here.

hps_sterling here.

karnythia briefly discusses the Take Back the SF panel here.

commodorified posts here, self-proclaiming that she committed fail at the Porn Crushes the Patriarchy panel by being unaware of what had already taken place at the Take Back the SF panel.

thewayoftheid posts here.

If you're really serious about making Wiscon a POC-safe space, you must step your muthafukkin' game up.

karnythia on Wiscon Squee and Fail or Why I Still Don't Love Cons. Fail in the comments.

vito_excalibur has commentary to the comments on the posts being made.

But to everyone responding with "that's why I would never go to Wiscon! that's why I don't call myself a feminist! because it's all about bashing men!"?

You're right. You're absolutely right. That is, in fact, what Wiscon is all about. I was totally lying in my previous post. In reality I've spent the last three days physically beating on a selection of men which the concom had tied up and prepared for us before we got there. With occasional breaks for taunting, and yoga. I don't think you'd enjoy it. You should probably not come.

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Special Bonus
Elizabeth Bear, What My Job Is Not
brown_betty already inadvertently responded, by writing in response to Wrede's Thirteenth Child here.

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cofax7 has a writeup of pretty much all of her panels the panels she attended here.

vito_excalibur with another writeup of all her panels and links to other things as well here.

littlebutfierce live-blogged the Class panel here, which was awesome because I did not take any notes but WTF WITH THAT FAILTASTIC AUDIENCE MEMBER. The panel itself was good.

takumashii live-blogged the book cover panel.

takumashii live-blogged the Authorial Intent panel.

badgerbag suggests people holding their own Girlycons everywhere ever, here. cabell, WILL YOU DO A GIRLYCON WITH ME?! I will bring "Ever After" and "Little Women" and Princess Tutu and Sailor Moon!

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Lastly....programming is open already for next year's WisCon! So all of those ideas you're afraid you might forget? You can submit them now! Do it!

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I feel like we could start assigning points to fail.

For example...."We've got a spectacular Fail-Dive over here in the comments to Person X's post. Not only did the Failer take a conversation originally about POC and make it about their hurt white feelings, but they also chastised POC who called them out on it! This fail is 10 points."
And then someone could be like, "I have to disagree with you there, Bob. The Failer also immediately posted in their own LJ about how mean POC are, and how she's thinking of suspending her LJ account because she 'can't take it.' The drama easily makes this fail hit 13 points."

Comments

[cofax7]

To be more specific, I posted about the panels I attended, but not about the ones I was on. I'm still looking for blogging of the ones I was on, particularly the media&book fandom panel, which got into some great stuff about community-building.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

That is a good distinction to make! And I will go make it now.

Shit, I left that pingback thing on, didn't I? I guess it's okay in a post like this, though; if people start flowing in to blog posts and stuff, it's nice to know where they're coming from.

[cofax7]

Yes, I got the pingbot, which is fine.

[wrdnrd]

I have to give mad props to raanve for finally shutting down that dude in the front row who seemed to think he was Panel Member #6. :p I also super appreciated the person behind him who apparently leaned forward at one point and told him he'd said enough and to button it. When your fellow audience members are telling you to shut it.... I do deeply regret that we couldn't rein him in before one audience member stormed out in anger. D:

[freemonoid.livejournal.com]

What was this dude doing? What panel was this?

[antarcticlust.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I'm trying to collect as many of these as possible. I still need to do my own panel summary/response posts, so it's good to see other perspectives on some of the same panels I went to.

I cannot believe that ridiculous Take Back SF panel. Do we need audience mods to moderate the mods? Seriously!

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

The panel was called "Marxism and Beyond." There is a write-up here in this post (http://littlebutfierce.livejournal.com/410138.html), which includes the Audience Member.

Basically, he sat in the front row and kept his hand raised for the entire panel, pretty much raising it immediately after being called on to say something. wrdnrd (the moderator of the panel) kept saying that she saw him and would get to questions at the end of the panel, but sometimes he just started talking without even getting called on. He even wrote a note on a piece of paper and put it up on to the table, giving it to a panelist.

People in the audience told me that before the panel began, he was loudly talking about how he likes "arguing with Marxists," which was curious as nobody on the panel was a Marxist - hence the title, "Marxism and beyond."

What made troubleinchina leave in anger was the point toward the end of the panel (after he had made an annoyance of himself) when wrdnrd made it explicitly clear that they would take questions only, and not comments. Ignoring this request, he started waxing on and NOT asking a question. He was talking about opinion polls in the United States, in which just about everyone tends to answer, "I'm middle/working class!" even when they're not. He said that "the United States has its own special relationship to race and class." Another audience member was like, "Dude, that's American exceptionalism, stop it right now," and he kept talking. At some point, I snapped, "I would really like to hear a QUESTION," and the he was all acidly, "Yeah, yeah," and waved his hand in a pshaw-way, and didn't talk again.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

You're welcome. Additionally, I recommend my "Wiscon 33" category in my Memories. I'm not posting everything in linkspam that I find.

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=mystickeeper

[antarcticlust.livejournal.com]

Thanks! There are a ton of journals I'd like to add, but I'm a bit shy if I didn't meet someone personally. I'm such a noob, and I'm not really part of any of the fandoms...

I want to talk to people about panel ideas for next year. Are you thinking of anything? I have tons of ideas.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I haven't had time to think much beyond, "I wish there would be some anime/manga programming," and I know that some of us were talking about making a "Do you need to read the source material in order to read the fanfiction?" panel.

Programming submissions are open (in the past they waited until January or something); beyond that, I suggest just posting it in your LJ and being like, "Would anyone else find this interesting?"

Post-WisCon friending seems pretty common. Even if I don't have a chance to meet people in person, I'm all, "Hey, I think you're cool and I'm friending you, no pressure to friend me back."

[troubleinchina.livejournal.com]

That was me who stormed out, because I was overtired and knew I was going to react by screaming at him. Grrrrrr. I mean, really How many times did he have to be told?

(He started out irritating me by saying before the panel, when there were only a few people in the room, that he was coming just to argue with the Marxist. ... Yeah.)

[wrdnrd]

He even wrote a note on a piece of paper and put it up on to the table, giving it to a panelist.

WHAT. Oh, dang, i totally missed that. >_<

So it was troubleinchina who stormed out? Thank you for letting me know -- i've been wanting to apologize to her because i felt that the problem right at that point was about 50% troll-in-the-front and 50% ModFail on my part.

[antarcticlust.livejournal.com]

I will make such a post. I don't have many Wiscon friends, but I'll see what comes out of it!

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

If you make it public, I can link to it.

[wrdnrd]

I'm so glad to know who stormed out because i've been wanting to apologize for about 3 days now. As the mod, i am SO SORRY. I should have controlled his interruptions better. My sincerest apologies! I deeply regret that the question period reached a point where you had to leave. I should have prevented that.


he was coming just to argue with the Marxist

Yeah, as Jackie says upthread, WHAT MARXIST?! I tried to clearly state in the panel title that we were looking BEYOND Marxism!! I hate people who come to a panel just spoiling for a fight. GRRRR. If i'd known that, i might have kept him shut down from the very beginning, because, seriously?, that is not contributing to the discussion.


PS: That is pretty much the best icon ever.

[troubleinchina.livejournal.com]

I has all the best icons!

Please don't feel that way, if you can avoid it. For me, at least, it was really heavily influenced by my state of tired - I'd been up for all the 8:30 panels and not been doing the proper 5/2/1 thing, and was wilting.

I got BC's email address later and am intending to talk a bit about some stuff that came up. Mostly, though, I'm looking for book recs because I have all this spare time and a library card.

[antarcticlust.livejournal.com]

SQUEE!

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he slipped a note to Chris, I'm not sure what it said.

[takumashii.livejournal.com]

So, what I am thinking in regards to the manga panel, is that we need a fairly broad, basic topic that will let a variety of people participate as panelists or as audience members even if they haven't read a LOT of manga and even if they hadn't all read the same manga. The "Shoujo Bodies" quasi-spontaneous panel from last year was so thinky and so awesome, but if you haven't read Helter Skelter and Afterschool Nightmare and the other half-dozen manga that were covered -- you're sort of left out of it, though with an impressive list of recommendations.

I'm wondering if it would be more appropriate to focus a panel specifically on booktalking manga, or booktalking manga within a specific genre, or covering certain trends in manga and taking those trends as jumping-off-points for booktalking. I think the panel I was on this year, on new YA SF/F, went rather well as a format for talking about manga -- we started with some broad comments on the YA field and what was popular and what was trendy and what was significant, and followed that up with booktalking.

We do need more manga programming at WisCon, and that's one of the things I'll happily focus on next year if I get to go.

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

Oh the sports commentary on Fail would be SO good!

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

Dude I just want to know who that was ! Dying! To ! Know!

[badgerbag.livejournal.com]

I like to read fic even if I haven't watched the source. Wikipedia episode summaries are much faster!

[freemonoid.livejournal.com]

So...between this & all the links you provided, I'm wondering what aggregate effect occurs during a con to make nigh everyone lose all common sense.

The whole "omigawd a POC *staaare*" stories are the most mind blowing, but the "Taking back SF" business is odd. Also, it seems like if you have to qualify an action you're taking with "because I'm an ass like that", maybe you gotta rethink what you just did. Just throwin' that out there.

[freemonoid.livejournal.com]

"So if you fail in my comments, I will come for you eventually."

See, now I'm just picturing that your vengeance will come in the middle of the night, you armed with the Silence Glaive all ready to end their personal world.

That's kinda badass, actually.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

Well, one main thing to keep in mind is that the things people write about extensively are the things that upset them. I didn't link to every WisCon write-up I came across, and the majority of the ones I've seen on LiveJournal were generally happy.