WisCon Linkspam

[laceblade]

At this point, I need to do a linkspam because I have 5 browser windows open, and in one of those browser windows, 82 tabs. It's linkspam with minimal commentary because I'm at home dealing with a family death. So if you fail in my comments, I will come for you eventually.

Please read my 101 Primer before commenting; I will know if you didn't.

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There was some fail on a few panels/at the Con in general. As always, read the comments.

shadesong was on the Take Back the SF Panel and posts about what happened here.

asim on the "Take Back the SF Panel here.

hps_sterling here.

karnythia briefly discusses the Take Back the SF panel here.

commodorified posts here, self-proclaiming that she committed fail at the Porn Crushes the Patriarchy panel by being unaware of what had already taken place at the Take Back the SF panel.

thewayoftheid posts here.

If you're really serious about making Wiscon a POC-safe space, you must step your muthafukkin' game up.

karnythia on Wiscon Squee and Fail or Why I Still Don't Love Cons. Fail in the comments.

vito_excalibur has commentary to the comments on the posts being made.

But to everyone responding with "that's why I would never go to Wiscon! that's why I don't call myself a feminist! because it's all about bashing men!"?

You're right. You're absolutely right. That is, in fact, what Wiscon is all about. I was totally lying in my previous post. In reality I've spent the last three days physically beating on a selection of men which the concom had tied up and prepared for us before we got there. With occasional breaks for taunting, and yoga. I don't think you'd enjoy it. You should probably not come.

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Special Bonus
Elizabeth Bear, What My Job Is Not
brown_betty already inadvertently responded, by writing in response to Wrede's Thirteenth Child here.

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cofax7 has a writeup of pretty much all of her panels the panels she attended here.

vito_excalibur with another writeup of all her panels and links to other things as well here.

littlebutfierce live-blogged the Class panel here, which was awesome because I did not take any notes but WTF WITH THAT FAILTASTIC AUDIENCE MEMBER. The panel itself was good.

takumashii live-blogged the book cover panel.

takumashii live-blogged the Authorial Intent panel.

badgerbag suggests people holding their own Girlycons everywhere ever, here. cabell, WILL YOU DO A GIRLYCON WITH ME?! I will bring "Ever After" and "Little Women" and Princess Tutu and Sailor Moon!

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Lastly....programming is open already for next year's WisCon! So all of those ideas you're afraid you might forget? You can submit them now! Do it!

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I feel like we could start assigning points to fail.

For example...."We've got a spectacular Fail-Dive over here in the comments to Person X's post. Not only did the Failer take a conversation originally about POC and make it about their hurt white feelings, but they also chastised POC who called them out on it! This fail is 10 points."
And then someone could be like, "I have to disagree with you there, Bob. The Failer also immediately posted in their own LJ about how mean POC are, and how she's thinking of suspending her LJ account because she 'can't take it.' The drama easily makes this fail hit 13 points."

Comments

[freemonoid.livejournal.com]

What was this dude doing? What panel was this?

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

The panel was called "Marxism and Beyond." There is a write-up here in this post (http://littlebutfierce.livejournal.com/410138.html), which includes the Audience Member.

Basically, he sat in the front row and kept his hand raised for the entire panel, pretty much raising it immediately after being called on to say something. wrdnrd (the moderator of the panel) kept saying that she saw him and would get to questions at the end of the panel, but sometimes he just started talking without even getting called on. He even wrote a note on a piece of paper and put it up on to the table, giving it to a panelist.

People in the audience told me that before the panel began, he was loudly talking about how he likes "arguing with Marxists," which was curious as nobody on the panel was a Marxist - hence the title, "Marxism and beyond."

What made troubleinchina leave in anger was the point toward the end of the panel (after he had made an annoyance of himself) when wrdnrd made it explicitly clear that they would take questions only, and not comments. Ignoring this request, he started waxing on and NOT asking a question. He was talking about opinion polls in the United States, in which just about everyone tends to answer, "I'm middle/working class!" even when they're not. He said that "the United States has its own special relationship to race and class." Another audience member was like, "Dude, that's American exceptionalism, stop it right now," and he kept talking. At some point, I snapped, "I would really like to hear a QUESTION," and the he was all acidly, "Yeah, yeah," and waved his hand in a pshaw-way, and didn't talk again.

[wrdnrd]

He even wrote a note on a piece of paper and put it up on to the table, giving it to a panelist.

WHAT. Oh, dang, i totally missed that. >_<

So it was troubleinchina who stormed out? Thank you for letting me know -- i've been wanting to apologize to her because i felt that the problem right at that point was about 50% troll-in-the-front and 50% ModFail on my part.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he slipped a note to Chris, I'm not sure what it said.

[freemonoid.livejournal.com]

So...between this & all the links you provided, I'm wondering what aggregate effect occurs during a con to make nigh everyone lose all common sense.

The whole "omigawd a POC *staaare*" stories are the most mind blowing, but the "Taking back SF" business is odd. Also, it seems like if you have to qualify an action you're taking with "because I'm an ass like that", maybe you gotta rethink what you just did. Just throwin' that out there.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

Well, one main thing to keep in mind is that the things people write about extensively are the things that upset them. I didn't link to every WisCon write-up I came across, and the majority of the ones I've seen on LiveJournal were generally happy.