laceblade: Angel's Wesley and Fred, making heinous faces (Wesley & Fred: Heinous)
laceblade ([personal profile] laceblade) wrote2012-09-19 04:04 pm

Spoiler: Some of this text recycles my tweets from earlier today

Recently, [personal profile] sasha_feather started a good post about accessibility at WorldCon. In her own words, the purpose of the post is "not to pick on WorldCon or to cause drama, but rather to say, here is a problem, at this convention and at others. What can we do to work on addressing this problem?"

Most of the comments are on-topic.

I would like to frame this thread. It starts with someone mentioning that sometimes in fandom, people use "insider knowledge" (in this case, an entire track of fake programming that had some people wandering all over an inaccessible convention hotel looking for non-existent rooms). [personal profile] sasha_feather notes that insider knowledge is A Thing in fandom, and "what is needed are ways to welcome people into that."

Someone anonymously responds with, "There's insider knowledge in fandom, but there isn't a lot of it, and it's not secret. Everyone who knows it, learned it on their own. If the process had been difficult or unpleasant, fandom would be a much smaller place.
If you don't find that satisfactory, consider joining the N3F."

To which [personal profile] sasha_feather eloquently responds, "My response to this entire comment can be summed up by, "citation needed.""

Then, Teresa Nielsen Hayden shows up to give [personal profile] sasha_feather a citation (I think?!).
The entire comment is so bizarre that even though [personal profile] sasha_feather hilariously responded with, "Cool story, bro" and froze the thread, I MUST BLOG ABOUT IT.

Firstly, TNH's comment seems to assume that [personal profile] sasha_feather is not already "in" or a "part of" fandom, despite the post making it clear that she organizes Access at WisCon.
Her pompous introduction is also useless. I do not understand its purpose; she could have simply said, "I have imposter syndrome, too." Regardless of the back story, can we not just make fandom more accessible? Must Big Name Fans always trot out their personal Horatio Alger stories to prove how they EARNED their way into fandom, as if to say, "And damn it, if it worked for little ol' me, it will for you, too!"

I tried to pick apart TNH's entire comment, but she seems not to have read the post on which she's commenting. None of it is relevant or meaningful to the ongoing conversation.

I'd really just like to draw attention to this quote: "If you want fandom enough to not care that you're a neo, enough to get you to wade straight in, you'll discover that there are practically no barriers."

It is actually hilarious to me that, IN A POST ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY, she would say, "If you want fandom enough....you'll discover that there are practically no barriers."
IN A POST ABOUT THE LACK OF ACCESSIBILITY AT CONVENTIONS.

I CANNOT.


For those looking for amusement, we did start a fannishCV hash-tag mocking TNH's ludicrous "fan credentials" with our own.
wrdnrd: (Himiko [Shimotsuma])

[personal profile] wrdnrd 2012-09-19 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The fannishCV hashtag was a thing of beauty that kept me delighted for an hour at work this morning. I wish there were a way to save ALL of it, including the stuff i saw from friends with locked accounts.

I only lament that [personal profile] sasha_feather thought of posting a Neo (from the Matrix) gif with kitties AFTER she froze the thread.
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[personal profile] littlebutfierce 2012-09-20 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
You can reprint my tweets too! Ahahahaha.

Edit: No, wait, maybe not? Or some of them? IDK. #suddenlyshy
Edited 2012-09-20 05:30 (UTC)
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[personal profile] wrdnrd 2012-09-20 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
I don't even know how i'd manage to save locked tweets anyway!
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[personal profile] littlebutfierce 2012-09-20 07:13 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I figured in case anyone wanted them badly enough to copy-pasta them (like I did w/my EDL tweets).
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[personal profile] sasha_feather 2012-09-20 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
You have permission to reprint my tweets!
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[personal profile] sparkymonster 2012-09-20 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
I'm still thinking of things for my fannishCV. I had a fandom arch enemy for 2 years of Supernatural. It was LOLariously amazing.

I still really want to be on short list for something for my fannishcv. Not sure what though.

I definitely want credit for getting into The Sentinel fic years after the show was canceled. Also can you list a fandom on your CV if you're fic only in it? Where do I list OTPs? Can I list BNFs I know? How about those I hate? Is getting on Fandom Wank plus or minus 100 points?
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[personal profile] sasha_feather 2012-09-20 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
Plus 200! For genting on Fandom wank.
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[personal profile] wrdnrd 2012-09-20 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
HEY, YOU'RE THE FORM MASTER, YOU MAKE A TEMPLATE.
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[personal profile] raanve 2012-09-20 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Fic-only fannishness counts as "Other Skills", I think.

BNFs you know = references

OTPs are like the spots on your resume where you talk about programming languages & whatnot.

Fandom Wank is definitely bonus points.

I'd say you're on the shortlist for a Fannish Educator award for your outstanding work on educating folks like me about classic comics & the amazingness of Wonder Woman, except I seem to recall you won that category.
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[personal profile] were_duck 2012-09-19 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This post makes me really sad that I wasn't able to be on twitter today! But... omg. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-OW.
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[personal profile] raanve 2012-09-20 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I kind of want to keep going on the hashtag? IDK. This may make its way into my DW post later today.

Basically what I am saying is +1 to [personal profile] laceblade's comment.

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[personal profile] sasha_feather 2012-09-20 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
It occurred to me while walking to my car that John Scalzi told us, Anyone who wants to be a geek, gets to be one!
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[personal profile] wrdnrd 2012-09-20 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
And he's the King of SFWA, so he oughta know!
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[personal profile] jesse_the_k 2012-09-20 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
I lack the discipline to say anything sensible, but I'm so glad we're on the same side :,)
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[personal profile] ladyjax 2012-09-20 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, that was some special fail sauce all up in TNH's comment.
Edited 2012-09-20 04:06 (UTC)
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[personal profile] cereus 2012-09-20 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
"If you want fandom enough....you'll discover that there are practically no barriers."

Sounds like some hardcore "Inspiration Porn" to me. O_o

http://notyourinspiration.tumblr.com/

... and also a way of ignoring any issues raised by disabled people.
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[personal profile] badgerbag 2012-09-20 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
*hypnotic handwave*

There are no barriers! These are not the barriers you're looking for!
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[personal profile] torachan 2012-09-20 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
Ha! I saw that hashtag on twitter, but had no idea that's where it started.
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[personal profile] amadi 2012-09-20 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
Ah! I saw a couple of Sasha's FannishCV tweets but it was the day when Everything Exploded (One Thing Literally) so I wasn't on Twitter much and missed the context.

I'd love to see a Storify if anyone has the chance to pull one together.
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[personal profile] bcholmes 2012-09-20 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
That is kind of... um... wow.